darthrya


Okay. Thanks for the info. I'll leave it asterisked, meaning that it is not in common circulation.

tay666


If I get time tonight, I will compair them.

darthrya


Based on this information, I have done the following:

1. Included a note about the Kiss tour and Maiden's two headliners and them not playing with Kiss in the UK at all. I also decided to cut out the two London gigs at the Marquee. Bushell goes on in good detail in his book about how the band took a vacation during that time. I think he posted the Kiss tour dates with cross-referencing them to his biography notes. I am pretty sure the band didn't play in London on any dates during the Kiss leg of the tour.

2. I changed the Dallas/Houston gigs from 12-13 to 13-14.

3. I changed the Long Beach gig from the 2nd to the 4th. While Skoog has a logical question about the band not taking an opportunity to do a headliner on the 2nd or 3rd if the band really did play the 4th, I see two issues. One is that the band may have just wanted to take a break and enjoy LA for a couple of days in the summer. The other is the band themselves in an interview claim the date is the 4th.

4. I have changed the date from possibly the 5th or the 11th to definitely the 5th. This is also do in part to Casper's comments about Aardschock's concert review the month after the gig.

5. I have stuck with Skoog's version that the gig was on the 5th based on his account that a fan who was there told him it was the 5th.

6. I haven't changed anything yet. I'm still waiting on Robert's response. I am sure his info is correct, but I am curious how he arrived at it.

darthrya


Trevor, it's been long traded as 3 August as far as I know. I know there may be no way of telling, but I think the legacy value of it being traded for so long as 3 August probably means that this information comes from the original taper at some time long ago.

tay666

I was wondering though, if there were boots of either band that Maiden was opening for on those 2 dates.
If there is a boot for
Rainbow on 5/22/82, or
Scorpions for 8/3/82
that would help narrow it down. If one existed and another didn't.

The same would probably help with Detroit, as I don't think that has definitely been identified as either date.

Chicago at least they played 3 different venues so you can ID the date from the stadium Bruce mentions (which is how we know all surfaced boots are the same show).

juju


I can also confirm you that the show was the 4th of August (sold out show confirmed in Billboard Boxscore)

tay666


Thanks Juju. I'll add that in the notes section of it.

tay666


Definitely different shows.

Speaches are completely different between songs.

On the 7/18 show
Between 666 and 22 Bruce talks about the aneheim show.
after Iron Maiden he says "good night - something garbled - good afternoon, good day ......... what time is it, cheerio"

On the 9/4 show (the 5 track version I have, have heard of a 7 track version, but that might be a mis-labeled 7/18 show)
Between 666 and 22 Bruce says there are about 14000 people there.
Before drifter he says "Did a show here a few weeks ago called the day on the green I think it was"

Which clinches which show is which.

darthrya


I think that kind of statement from Bruce gives it a very, very high likelihood that the date is May 22. Why would he even talk about Detroit if the gigs weren't close together? Now, the big question is, why have people been assuming the gig is 3 August?

darthrya


Nevermind. The only French he speaks during the show is when he says, "merci." However, there may be a clue from the audience. You can hear someone talking just before Paul announces Innocent Exile.

Another clue: Paul introduces Twilight Zone by saying it will be released as a single "very soon." The date of release is 2 March 1981. With that, either Paul is mistaken, or the band is playing in the UK for this show. I think Paul is just mistaken.

http://maidenshows.ryasrealm.com/810331.htm I am also wondering if my version is the correct show. Several tracks transition by fading out and in, and just when Paul says it's the last show of the evening, the band play several more. If my version is the same show everyone else is trading, I am wondering if it is a fake all together, regardless if it is supposedly from France or Italy.

tay666


Were there more than one release of that single?
I know a lot of the singles got released in different areas at different times.

darthrya


That date I have is for the UK release. I hadn't thought of other releases at other times.

darthrya


Thanks. I found a tickets stub for the secret show a week ago. I am confidant, based on accounts and that ticket stub, that show did happen.

darthrya


The "Morning Call," Allentown's local paper, reported on the morning of 26 January 1985 that the show scheduled later that night was cancelled due to Bruce's illness.

With this in mind, I feel that the Glen Falls gig didn't happen either.

I am going through old newspapers from around the world at my university. I hope to find some more good info.

Caveman Ninja


Are you talking about the Norwich '98 secret show? It definitely happened, I was sent a scan of the setlist. It didn't include Murders in the Rue Morgue, but apparently they played on after the setlist and did about three-quarters of the X-Factor and Blaze forgot all the words apparently. So no change there then

I'll try and find the setlist scans if you like (if I still have them) and see if the date is on them

Caveman Ninja


I checked the scan, written in pen at the top it says 20.4.98. Consider this confirmation

And indeed Murders isn't on the setlist, but Don't Look To The Eyes of a Stranger is.

darthrya


That is strange. The ticket scan shows 22 April, and the three other accounts of those who know about it or were there confirm this date.

darthrya


I would like to have started from scratch and assume nothing to be correct, but that was not feasible. I had to take some info for granted and work with it and prove right/wrong along the way. For now, I assume Skoog to be right until I prove him wrong because he has taken a decent historical methodology approach to this, though not as scrutinizing as some of us here. Today, I pulled up about 40 dates listed in newspapers - mostly reviews. Some of them are online, but those are from for-pay databases which you can't link without a password. Only students have those passwords, or paying customers. Just to let you know, most universities use a major conglomeration of databases that if one person subscribed to all of them, it would cost him a few thousand a year in fees. Our tuition fees pay for our access, which is a hundred or less per student because universities get a discount rate.

Caveman Ninja


Very strange. The setlist is printed, but at the top, in faint pen it definitely says 20.4.98. Perhaps this was written on by whoever got the setlist at the end and they got the date wrong... seems unlikely though, who would write on a Maiden setlist?

darthrya


I know it's unlikely to be the band or the roadies because the date is of no relevance to them when it gets posted on the stage. I am sure a fan wrote it. I know I wrote on mine for the 15 Sep 00 show in Bakersfield.

darthrya


Bruce has a strong tendency to shout out the largest city in the vincinity if the venue is in a smaller city or a suburb. Mansfield is relatively near Boston, and it's nowhere nearly as big as Boston.

There are two, even more atrocious, examples. At the Auburn show in 2005, he called the audience Seattle, even though Auburn is 45 minutes away from Seattle. And at the Camden show, which is in New Jersey, Bruce kept shouting out "Philadelphia," which is in another state - Pennsylvania. Camden is just across the river from Philadelphia and is technically a suburb of that city, despite being in another state.

bouvetøya


Indeed Ryan! The same thing happened in Amnéville (France) in 2003 (18th dec.) where Bruce was saying "Scream for me Nancy" several times during the show (from South to North you have Nancy, 50 km above, Metz and finally Amnéville, a small town, about 30 km from Metz). At the end of the show, before the 1st encore, Bruce even asked if we were Nancy or Metz ?

gandalf


Ok I see. I would know this. It has happened a lot. During the Drammen gig in 1988 he said Oslo several times though he also said Drammen a few times. These cities are about 40 km from each other and Drammen is the smaller one of them.

I'll change the name of the city in my list then.

ead666


Like you want ... but "Virtual Lights Strikes Over France" is a quite common bootleg which is owned by majority of Maiden traders ....

Iron Paddy


Yes the tracks are on the Virtual Lights show but how much of the 1996 gig exists. Just 3 tracks or is the whole show available somewhere

darthrya


I see what you are saying. Does anyone know if there is a full recording of it out there?

ead666


Right, but it is also the case of a lot of bootlegs in the master list which are incomplete (just 1 CD for example) but marked as available...

So what is the limit to mention that a gig is available on bootleg ? 20 min, 40 min, etc .. ? For info, 21 min. of the Nancy '96 gig are available.

Just a thought

Iron Paddy


Valid point.

Ryan, you have Glasgow 1995 listed as available and this is only 4 tracks and appears at the end of the Gothenburg 95 gig. Therefore in theory Nancy 1996 exists

ead666

... yes, but a full version of Glasgow 1995 exists.

Caveman Ninja


And does Reading '05 make the list when all we have is three tracks?

darthrya


Yes. It is already on the list. The list isn't "complete" shows only. It's a list verifying that some amount of recording of a show exists.

Brave New Lewes

Unless a note is added, that information will be very misleading!

Got some stuff for you concerning some 1987 shows.

Quote:

The one I have is definitely from the 27th.
Disc one end of track 5 while talking before Wasted Years. Bruce mentions that night is Adrian's birthday

Quote:

Also, there was no mention of another show during the 27th. Nothing about come back tomorrow. Nothing about last nights show etc. So there might have only been one night played.

Quote:

With Detroit being confirmed on the 18th, Saginaw is on the 17th.
In the Saginaw show. During the fan participation part of Running Free. Bruce says they will be playing in Detroit tomorrow night.


Quote:

I can confirm the show I have is from this night.
Disc 1 begining of track 3 Bruce says welcome to the second night.
I just threw that in for anyone who wants to make sure about what night they have.

Iron Paddy


Why not add a "page last updated on ......" so we know how up to date you have it

toxik666


Excellent idea, might I also add you put a list of what extra shows were updated so plaigarists like me do not have to scour for hours on end to find out which shows have been added

Terrific website btw I refer to it as the bible

darthrya


I'll add an update note on it. As for what has been updated, you'll have to check here. I dont' do any major updates without posting them here. I consider it a quality control measure so that people are aware and they can give me input about the update if necessary.