The Iron Maiden
Bootleg Master List thread!
Part 3
This is an archive of the thread we had
on the official Iron Maiden bulletin board trade section.
Where we worked on verifying concert dates and weather or not a
boot actually existed of the show.
It is meant to be used as a reference tool. Anyone can feel free
to save any use any part of this that they wish.
This page contains all the relevant posts from the pages 26 through 41 of the 41 page thread. The first few pages were a condensed version of yet another, earlier thread that was even bigger.
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1 pages 1-10 of the thread |
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2 pages 11-25 of the thread |
Part
3 pages 26-41 of the thread |
MASTER LIST courtesy of Ryan |
| 1981
German shows 4 pages fleshing out which are which . |
Back to
my site my trading pages |
Other other posts of interest |
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| Unsurfaced
Iron Maiden Audio Recordings. A listing of all the shows that do not have an audio recording in circulation yet. |
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| Originally Posted by darthrya
It's fine to question my work. All I care is that it is
accurate, and people questioning it is what helps me make
it that much better Iron Paddy |
| darthrya List updated. It now has a "last updated" part and a link to this thread. Nevermind that the wrong year is listed for the "last updated" portion. It will be corrected next update |
| darthrya Update; input needed I updated the Master List to include every bit of research I have found for shows from 2000 to current. I need two things from the rest of you: 1. Click on any tour date that has a link and pop up my "notes" page. On the notes page, I have my justification for why I consider some resources more accurate than others. Any input about those, including additions, are welcomed. 2. If you know of any resource out there that could provide proof for a tour date that is better than a resource I have, or if I have no resource for a particular date at all and you have one or know of where I can find one, please share that info with me. Thanks. |
| tay666 8-23-00 , 8-5-03 , 1-24-04 I have lots of proof. Look at the covers http://www.geocities.com/iron_tay/mine.htm I have incorporated my ticket scans in covers for all three shows. I can confirm that I was at each show. And I also have written reviews of each show that were done shortly after the show, complete with ticket scans http://tay666.batcave.net/shows/concert.htm I also have ticket scan and review written (but not posted to the site yet) for 8/3/05 |
| Originally Posted by tay666
The master list just shows that there is a recording from
that show. darthrya |
| tay666 I still think it would be better to have a separate list for DVD collectors. There is so much more stuff they need to know. Ryan's list is awesome for what it does. Which is verify the actual show dates and locations, and if a boot is in circulation. But if I want to know about an audio show, I have several great sites to reference. Alex's has some good reviews. But if I want to know which version to look for then I go to Steven's, Robert's, or Sebastien's sites. They list the disc times, taper's if known, which are low gen / masters. and have multiple versions with ratings. Is there any equivalent in the DVD trading side? There are a lot of things with video that make so much more of an impact than they do on audio. Someone who had the drive could really work up the ultimate Iron Maiden DVD list. Besides the obvious of NTSC/PAL fomat issues. There is PRO vs Audience Camera angle, distance from the stage And the big issue of generation with makes a huge difference in video. The difference between a 2nd and 4th gen VHS used to master a DVD is very noticable. Where as the difference between a 2nd and 4th gen cassette tape might only be noticed by a certain few with great sound systems and very good ears. |
| darthrya Trevor has my sentiments about the Master List exactly. I don't have the time or the desire to make my site the master site for everything regarding live Maiden recordings. The only purpose for this list is to: 1. Accurately identify dates and locations of Iron Maiden concerts 2. Accurately identify which of these has some sort of live recording available somewhere in the world. The best I can offer is delineating if in addition to any recording existing, I can add an asterisk saying that video footage exists. I can also add a section of links to where people can find more information about these shows that do exist. But, I am not interested in incorporating those people's works on my site. It's too much work for me. |
| tay666 Well, to get this thread back on track. I can confirm the La Coruna 03 show is legit. Bruce says "Scream for me La Coruna" a couple times at the begining of one of the tracks. I didn't really doubt it as Didier is an Ace trader, who pays attention to the details |
| darthrya Well, I don't think anyone doubts either of you. I'll update the list with that show now that there are two traders that not only can identify it as the real deal, but they are circulating it as well. |
| ead666 About this one, I was sure it was the real gig ... 'cause i got it from the taper. |
| tay666 So you are the one who surfaced it? Nice job. Thanks. |
| darthrya Update: Some date changes San Diego 98 has been changed from 4 August to 3 August. The reason being is that this is confirmed not only by newspapers, but also by an amateur concert historian who focuses just on the San Diego area. I don't have the historian's information and website listed, but it will be added sometime when I am done with adding all my newspaper notes. You can visit his website at: http://www.sandiegoconcertarchive.com/sources.html Also, the cancelled Las Vegas and Riverside shows in 1996 have been changed. Originally, Las Vegas was listed as 31 March and Riverside as 30 March. I switched them based on separate newspaper accounts. Finally, I changed the El Paso 1999 show from 4 August to 5 August based on two different news accounts. |
| darthrya What is the story behind the St. Johns gig on 11 July 1999? No press release or news source lists that date. There are no t-shirts that list this gig either. Was this a last minute add-on or a surprise gig? |
| darthrya Turin, Brescia, and Goriscia 81 I just got all three, and I can confirm that the show commonly traded as Brescia is the same one commonly traded as Turin. Di'Anno's dialogue is the exact same throughout the show. I do have one question: how long has Turin and Goriscia been around before the "Brescia" show came around? If the Turin and Goriscia shows had been around long before the "Brescia" discovery, I believe it is fairly safe (but no absolutely provable) that Turin and Goriscia are the real shows and they cannot be confused with being Brescia, even though no one knows for sure which show is which. In other words, despite that no one knows if the "Turin" show is really Turin and if the "Goriscia" show is really Goriscia, I think it is probably safe to say that either show could be swapped for each other (one is definitely Goriscia and one is definitely Turin), but neither could be assumed to be Brescia at all. Again, this is only if the "Brescia" show surfaced years after the other two. If this is the case, I think the legacy factor has to be accepted that the other two are really Goriscia and Turin and could not be Brescia. I hope this was clear enough to understand. |
| darthrya San Diego 98 confusion, continued I think I know why most people have the San Diego date wrong. When the band put out a press release stating the rest of the US tour would be cancelled, they mentioned they had rescheduled the LA and SD shows for the 2nd and the 4th. Several San Diego resources say the band rescheduled for the 3rd. |
| Zdenius LISTEN... 1998.04.22 - Norwich, UK got the used shirt too, got some well known maiden fans photos on the stage with the band wearing them but no article or somethin at all, i still believe it happened..
1988.08.25 - Prague, Czechoslovakia (may have been
cancelled)
1995.11.12 - Cologne, Germany (see Note 1 at bottom)
1995.09.28 - Jerusalem, Israel
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| Originally Posted by tay666
But we still have the problem of Paul not identifying
where they are. darthrya |
| Originally Posted by Zdenius
accordin to Israel and Budapest, ive got some clips on
the VHS and its not a complete material but i think it
counts. this is my tshirt: http://www.ironmaiden.sk//novinky/obrazky/50//2.jpg darthrya |
| Originally Posted by tay666
Leave it to Z He has all the good shit. I bet if he had time to go through it all, he probably has clippings with reviews of over half of maidens concerts Zdenius |
| darthrya The Master List has an update on the Japanese leg of the World Slavery tour. 19 April in Tokyo has been downgraded to "suspect." 25 April in Tokyo has been upgraded to verified. The reason is that Petri pointed out to me that the show often traded as 19 April has Bruce saying the band will leave Japan in two days. This confirms what other traders have been saying. The rest of the Japanese tour is identified by the dialogue during the shows, except the show commonly traded as 14 April in Tokyo. This means there are two tour dates and one tour recording no one knows for sure to which date it belongs. The legacy factor says that undetermined show is the 14th, but it is possible it could be the 19th. That is why there are stars next to both of them for now. |
| Originally Posted by tay666
I'll have to give that 19th show a listen again and see
if I can hear anything else. The only other one I have from that range is Osaka which I just got, and is definitely Osaka. darthrya |
| darthrya Zaragoza 92 has been updated. Petri sent me a screen shot for the video, and the date is 19 Sep 92, not 16 Sep 92. I'll upload the update on the server sometime in the next two weeks. I've also gathered scans of 70 tickets, so I'll be adding those in the distant future. |
| Originally Posted by darthrya
What is the story behind the St. Johns gig on 11 July
1999? No press release or news source lists that date.
There are no t-shirts that list this gig either. Was this
a last minute add-on or a surprise gig? InvisibleGuest |
| darthrya reat. With this and the t-shirt, that makes for good "proof." |
| ead666 what 's about Las Vegas 1999 ? I saw on Ryan's list that it was cancelled... but i have a ticket of this show Moreover, about Moscow 1993 gigs, i have a ticket for the 02/06/1993, date which doesn't appear on master list. I have also a ticket for 1998.04.22 - Norwich |
| darthrya Put your cursor over the date for the LV 99 gig, and you'll see a text box pop up with a news article about the band cancelling the gig. As for the Moscow gig, those dates are up in the air. They could be 3-5 in Moscow or 4-6 in Moscow. Fan accounts claim that the dates are actually 3-5 June. Please email me the ticket scan for both Moscow and the Norwich 98 gig. |
| Originally Posted by ead666
You mean June (and not february) darthrya |
| Iron Paddy The Moscow gigs were planned for April 1993 - Fan Mags at the time printed the tour dates as April but they were cancelled for some reason. |
| darthrya I remember now. Does anyone know the original tour dates scheduled? I know one is 2 April, but I haven't a clue what the others are. |
| Iron Paddy The original dates according to the Fan Mag (No39) were 2, 3, 4 & 7 April 1993. Originally 4 dates all at the Olympic Stadium |
| LOLOMAIDEN73 This is what I found in the Fan club magazine edition 40, in the Maiden chronicles: " After the spanish shows, there were a few days spent in Ostrava for production rehearsals with the full european stage show and on April 5th, the full tour got underway there. Originally, the band were supposed to go to Russia for 3 dates but because of the political situation, large gatherings were banned by the government and so the trip had to be postponed at the last minute. Fortunately, the dates were able to be re-arranged but more of that later." " With the Uk tour over, it was back into Europe again and after a stopover for a show in Neuchatel, Switzerland it was finally off to Russia to complete the tour with the 3 shows that were cancelled back in April. By now, the weather was a lot warmer than it would have been when the dates were originally scheduled and during their 4 day stay there, the band were given full hospitality by their Russian hosts. There was time for sightseeing and shopping and the media had a friend day. It turned out to be a real eye-opener as none of the band and most of the crew had never been there before. The 3 shows in the 45.000 seater olympic arena went well with the final night being the best. Finally, on june 5th everyone arrived back at Heathrow tired and looking for rest..." Gigs dates are not mentioned. I hope it's going to help you. |
| tay666 That sounds like an imense help. They were there for 4 days and got back on the 5th. It is still possible the last night was the 5th. They have hopped a plane and flown back right after a show before. So it is possible they finished the show and flew back home right afterwards. |
| darthrya That could mean the 4th or the 5th was the last date. In fact, the 5th would be techincally impossible since the gigs last late, and I doubt the band would have gotten back any earlier than the wee hours of the morning of the 6th. I bet that's what the writer meant, and it seems to me that this would confirm Jacob's account. Thank you for posting this. I was aware of it, but it's nice how to have a verbatim account. |
| Originally Posted by darthrya
the 5th would be techincally impossible since the gigs
last late, and I doubt the band would have gotten back
any earlier than the wee hours of the morning of the 6th.
tay666 |
| Originally Posted by neonheatdisease
1982-05-14 corbo hall detroit tay666
Which means it can't be Bruce's first time in Detroit 5/14 |
| bouvetøya There was a previous thead about japanese shows of the World Slavery tour. A last (?) info about the 14/04/1985 show in Tokyo: on the bootleg labelled as 14th, you can hear Bruce saying before The Trooper: "... Tokyo, how are you in 85? (...) good to be back in Japan". These words sound like a first night indeed. |
| darthrya I don't know where the original thread for this was, so I thought I'd add the info here. Milwaukee 87 is 10 March, not 8 March. The information is evident in Bruce's speech before Running Free, when he says the band played Madison the night before and that they'll be playing Chicago the next night. |
| Zdenius were just sittinghere with my friend from czech republic, we found the show in ostrava was supposed to be one week later but it was rescheduled for 5.4.93 (cos the shows in Russia) but then the shows in russia were cancelled. my friends got all magazine cuttings about it. also he told me the band wanted to play a show in prague in 1994 but it was also cancelled. ive got magazine cutting about that + in prague were already posters on the wall also in Real Live Tour are not the Russian shows mentioned |
| darthrya The Moscow 1993 dates are now confirmed! They are 2-4 June, according to an article printed in The Moscow Times on 4 June 1993. |
| Zdenius whos got the article? |
| darthrya I have a transcription of it, but not the original. The editor emailed me an online reprint of the text. |